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Old 29-03-2010   #1
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Sony+Nintendo Passed on Natal

An interesting read, from what you glean from this it seems MS has gotten
worse than sloppy seconds with Natal

Originally Posted by playstationlifestyle
It's a little known fact that during the early days of the PlayStation Move, Sony had the opportunity to work with 3DV Systems, the Israeli based company now owned by Microsoft that specializes in digital imaging technology and the masterminds behind Natal. Ultimately, Sony chose to utilize a combination of light, a camera, and instruments used to measure the action of acceleration and magnetic fields instead of implementing the many patents undoubtedly held by 3DV. Recently, Dr. Richard Marks explained why.

During the recent Engadget Show, Dr. Marks treated viewers with a stunning display of the Move's potential and the type of impact it can have on the future of gaming. He also revealed the reasoning behind Sony's design decisions and the downsides of 3D cameras. When asked about investing research into 3D cameras like Natal's, Marks explained:

We tried a lot of different 3D cameras. I love the 3D camera technology; personally, I like the technology part of it. We worked closely with our game teams at what it would enable, and it enabled making the things we already did with EyeToy more robust, but it didn't really enable as many new experiences as what we were hoping it would enable, so it made the things we were already able to do a little bit more robust - which is good - but it adds a lot of cost and it didn't enable some of the other experiences we wanted to achieve.

In addition, Dr. Marks explains the purpose of having the Move employ glowing spheres.

Sometimes a tech demo doesn't translate into a product very well, for example, [in the tech demo] we were tracking those colored balls, but since there's no light in the ball or anything like that, the lighting in the room has to be good enough for the camera to see the color reliably and that makes for a difficult product when you don't have a control over those variables. And with the 3D camera it's a little bit similar that we found that there were some things we wanted to be able to do and sometimes it wouldn't work reliably for what we wanted to do.

Since there is no control over light conditions, Microsoft may have to include those red jumpsuits after all. Joking aside, it's worth noting that prior to being purchased by Microsoft, 3DV also reportedly approached Nintendo, hoping to be adopted into their family. In the end, concerns about latency and the costs involved lead to 3DV being dismissed as a solution.

Microsoft claims to have addressed some issues by improving the software of Natal. In addition, the original co-processor that was supposed to be integrated into Natal has been eliminated due to costs. Doing so not only effectively assigns all processing duties to the Xbox 360, but also taxes the system up to 15%, leaving less computing power for developers to utilize. This amount of headroom required will make it problematic to support software that was released prior to Natal.

It's interesting to get a sense of the amount of thought that went into engineering the Move. Given Dr. Marks' responses, Natal could very well be destined to be a glorified EyeToy. Not to downplay the abilities of Natal, but PlayStation Move already seems to be delivering much of its promise. Of course only time will tell which technology is best suited to usher in the next evolution in gaming. Until then

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Old 29-03-2010   #2
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Good find on the article Saint.

That dude is a pure genius... Dr. Marks should make everything Sony...

I don't hear too much from the mainstream media (cough G4) on the issues with Natal. They always act like Natal is "game changer". I just don't see it.
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Old 12-04-2010   #3
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I like 360s but Natal is actually going to suck :P
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Old 12-04-2010   #4
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And I'm sick and tired of seeing the same pattern from morrow66 here. Every time there's a response in a thread by him it's always in a thread that's near the bottom of the list or even dead for at least a month or so and it's quite obvious he's trying to spam for the 2 links in his signature, his avatar is even an advertisement for one of the links. Even his responses except with the exception of the online games thread are one liner instant responses that are always just an agreement with the majority or the thread starter.

EDIT: Welcome to see action taken and I do hope/wish morrow66 that you do decide to stay here and contribute positively to the community. While it may seem harsh, the forums aren't here for self-promotion of websites for your own gain. I've also taken action and removed my links to YouTube, Twitter etc in my signature as although it wasn't as big of a problem, my suggestions could be viewed as hypocritical considering my old signature. Anyone that wants them can view them in my profile which links to my website.
Some say he has a long signature and long posts, all we know is he's called X_Racer1.

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You are right X_Racer1, morrow66, if people want to visit your website they can go to your profile and check it out. Please make yourself a valuable member of our community and I'm sure that this will be possible. I've edited your signature and avatar, you can change them to something else.
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Old 13-04-2010   #6
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I am actually really excited to see Natal. I know it's not gonna be anywhere as good as their demo suggests, but it is interesting.

I don't think it is gonna change gaming right away, but will in the future when they get a better handle on the technology.

I think it was smart for Sony to pass on it. I can't wait to see what they have hiding up their sleeves!
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